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Um, so, it's done and it's here:

http://www.box.net/shared/l0b4f0tcno

I'll be posting the long justifications of all the cartographic decisions I made later; all I can say right now is that please, if you spot anything that contradicts the books, don't hesitate to tell me so I can fix the map and make it as accurate as possible.

If you have friends in Narnia fandom who need a map that makes some kind of sense to use in their ficcing, please pass the link on. Hopefully we can thus all forget Walden Media ever made a map. I hope.

Date: 2008-11-29 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sedri.livejournal.com
*looooooooooooong whistle*

That's IMPRESSIVE. Congratsi, Trojie!

Date: 2008-11-29 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Thank you. Does it look accurate? *anxious face*

Geological version coming up in a week or so

Date: 2008-11-29 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sedri.livejournal.com
As far as I can tell, yes. Bear in mind, though, that though I know Narnia, I'm not a Narnia expert.

Date: 2008-11-29 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Noted, and thanks :)

Date: 2008-11-29 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cassie5squared.livejournal.com
Impressive. Very impressive. I likes muchly.

Date: 2008-11-29 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
thank you :)

Date: 2008-11-30 08:45 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com
You didn't pimp this on narnia_fiction?

Will download tomorrow when the internet recovers from the 'you've downloaded too much' slap on the wrist we got last week.

Date: 2008-11-30 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
I never actually got round to joining narnia_fiction, so now. I hasn't pimped it anywhere, actually. Perhaps I was expecting it to spread around teh intarwubz by osmosis? I dunno....

Date: 2008-12-01 04:12 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com
Trojie that is MAGNIFICENT

I pimped it for you on narnia_fiction.

Date: 2008-12-01 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Angel.

*constantly worried* Does it look accurate? TELL me if there's something wrong!

Date: 2008-12-01 04:31 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com
Looks accurate although I think we still have the weird PC-battle problem. Don't the Narnians chase the Telmarines to the river? Why would the Telmarines retreat either to the Rush or the Great River if their castle is on the same side of both of them as is the How?

Date: 2008-12-01 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Because C. S. Lewis DID NOT THINK THIS THROUGH.

My spur-of-the-moment, made up this second theory is that they were camping over the river from the How - not basing themselves in Miraz's castle. Course, this is directly in contravention of The Film, but then this map is book based. A river isn't a *bad* defensive line if the other side is much smaller and you hold the only bridge, which you've built over the only ford.

Date: 2008-12-01 06:40 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com
Good plan! I like that explanation.

Date: 2008-12-01 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Other thing is, Miraz's castle to the How would also be an intolerably long supply line.

Date: 2008-12-01 06:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com
Betcha they were based at the town of Beruna!

Date: 2008-12-01 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
What side of the river was the town of Beruna on? I'm betting it was on the opposite side to the How, because otherwise why would the Ford be such a big deal?

Date: 2008-12-01 07:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com
Let's arbitrarily say it is!

Date: 2008-12-01 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sedri.livejournal.com
I second that. Making canon fit neatly sometimes requires a bit of cutting-and-gluing of the puzzle pieces.

Date: 2008-12-01 08:44 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-12-01 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Don't you just love a good arbitrary decision about someone else's imaginary world?

Date: 2008-12-02 11:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] muridae-x.livejournal.com
Arbitrary decisions that are right are the best ones, of course...

From Prince Caspian:
"In a few minutes all Miraz's followers were running down to the Great River in the hope of crossing the bridge to the town of Beruna and there defending themselves behind ramparts and closed gates."

I love the map - it's terrific, and your mountain ranges and distances make very good sense. The only thing I can see to quibble about is Cair Paravel's island - the channel between it and the mainland is only supposed to be 30-40 yards wide at the narrowest point, but it looks about a couple of miles out to sea there. ;-)

Date: 2008-12-02 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Okay, we must have assimilated that bit of info without remembering it. Go us.

You make a good point there - I will see if I can jiggle it closer through the magic of CorelDraw 12. The scale of the map was one thing that gave me pause for thought, I must admit - Narnia's described in detail and is tiny, but the other regions have almost no features and yet are huuuuuge.

Date: 2008-12-02 11:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] muridae-x.livejournal.com
Well, Calormen is mostly desert. Huge and largely featureless is traditional for that. There wouldn't be a heck of a lot to look at on Ettinsmoor either.

And everything else you just leave blank as currently unexplored and write in "here be Dragons".

Date: 2008-12-02 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
This is of course a point :)

And I have to ask, Muridae as in the family of molluscs?

Date: 2008-12-02 11:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] muridae-x.livejournal.com
Muridae as in the family of molluscs?

A bit more mammalian than that, but you're heading in the right direction. The inspiration for the name came from here:

http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781565924192/colophon.html

though it's a good long while since I touched Perl. But basically, it's me being an AnonyMouse. :-)

Date: 2008-12-02 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Sorry, I was thinking of the Muricidae. I have snails on the brain :)

Date: 2008-12-01 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xxlucyferxx.livejournal.com
That looks WONDERFUL. You, my dear, are an absolute legend.

All makes perfect sense. I agree with ineptshieldmaid about the river thing she mentioned, but I haven't the slightest clue how that could be amended and I'm not sure it needs to be.

Also, there's no indication of any of the major Narnian forests on the map...or is putting them in just too bloody complex?

Sorry, I'm being terribly critical...fact is, I actually feel like worshipping you a bit now. Because this is the best thing that has happened to the Narnia fandom in a LOOOOONG time.

Date: 2008-12-01 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
*blush* You flatter me.

The forests aren't mapped because forests are more transient and to be honest, Lewis put forests wherever they were convenient. Feel free to use it as a base to put ON the forests, though!

No, critical is good. Please be critical!

Date: 2008-12-01 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xxlucyferxx.livejournal.com
Fair enough...I just tend to get myself into all sorts of pickles whenever Shuddering Wood, Dancing Lawn or whatever else comes into play.

Out of curiosity, did Lewis ever even TRY to establish a proper map of Narnia?

This is why I kind of wish I was still obsessed with LOTR fanfic. Tolkien did a MUCH better job of fleshing out his world geographically, linguistically and culturally.

Date: 2008-12-01 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
There are very vague maps in some of the editions of the books - they have no place names or scale. I used the one in my edition of Prince Caspian for the coastline, but not much else.

I'll have a go at locating the woods at some point if you like :) but the geological map is probably going to come first.

Date: 2008-12-01 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xxlucyferxx.livejournal.com
Dude, that would be awesome...but yeah, take your time. I'm just excited to have a map that makes sense...

Date: 2008-12-01 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
:) I hope it will be useful!

Date: 2008-12-01 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venilia.livejournal.com
Yeah the Walden Media Map left me confused. Considering she used to be a mapmaker Bayne's was surprisingly inaccurate as well. I mean, if from the Fords of Beruna to Cair Paravel is, as Peter explains during PC, a two day's easy march or a day and a half riding hard, then from Lantern Waste to Beaver's Dam should not be roughly the same distance!

Anyway, this is incredibly awesome!

Date: 2008-12-01 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
The Walden Media map has a river that turns ninety degrees. By my reckoning it will actually have to be flowing uphill at some point in its course.

No, it shouldn't! The other thing that I tried to take into account is *who* was doing the marching; the Pevensies and the Beavers in LWW would have been considerably slower (Lucy and the Beavers had short legs, after all, and were in snow) than the Pevensies as adults in the Golden Age. And the section from Tashbaan to Archenland I had to base distances on estimates of the speed of travel of horses at various paces, and had to work out how long they spent at the walk, the trot, the gallop etc.

The hardest bit was deciding how far from Cair Paravel the marsh on the banks of the Shribble was; giant owls with children on their backs are a complete unknown quantity distance-wise :D Anyway, I *will* do my damndest to type up and post all of this sort of thing tonight, hopefully also with a helpful list of distances between notable landmarks.

Glad you like, and hope it will be useful!

Date: 2008-12-02 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-lirenel.livejournal.com
(here from [livejournal.com profile] narnia_fiction)Great map! It's exactly what I needed, as I'm in the midst of writing a fic and the proper placement of things is terribly important to the story. And all the other maps I find are no help at all.

Seriously, I'm all very confused about distances and timing in Narnia. How far is Trufflehunter's cave from Miraz's castle to figure out how long it took Caspian to get there? Then if (at least in the movie) Trumpkin is taken back to the castle at Beaversdam and then floated down the river to Cair Paravel, how long would that take? (I think Trumpkin was only taken to Beruna in the books, which makes it a little better).

And then trying to figure out how the Pevensies and Trumpkin get from Glasswater Creek to the River Rush and then somehow to Beruna really didn't make any sense at all until I saw your map. So thank you.

Anyway, that's all just to say that your map is wonderful and I'm very impressed!

Date: 2008-12-03 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
I'm hopefully posting details of that sort of thing in the next few days, so stay tuned!

Glad it can be useful :)

Date: 2008-12-04 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orange-yarn.livejournal.com
Here via the link on [livejournal.com profile] narnia_fiction!

Oh, wow, this is wonderful! I wish I had the skills (and the patience) to complete something like this.

And thank you so much for putting this together -- I'm always sitting there, trying to map things out in my head, and it always falls apart. I will definately be referencing this in the future. Now I have to show it to my younger sisters -- I just read them all of the books, and they'd love to this. :)

Date: 2008-12-04 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
*blush* I'm glad it will be useful! Anything to further the Narnia fandom and to use my special brand of nerd kung-fu :D

Date: 2008-12-05 06:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agent-tomato.livejournal.com
Pretty...bravo, Trojie!

Date: 2008-12-05 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agenttrojie.livejournal.com
Thank you! See the shiny explanation posted just ten minutes ago for why I did what I did :)

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